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#42 - Anthony Aguirre and Malo Bourgon - Why Superintelligent AI Should Not Be Built

May 21, 2025 · 1h 8m

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Humanity is in a race to build superintelligent AI gods. What happens if we create beings smarter than us—and can no longer steer them? In this special Win-Win IRL episode, Liv Boeree sits down with Anthony Aguirre (CEO of Future of Life Institute) and Malo Bourgon (CEO of MIRI) for a no-holds-barred conversation on finding alignment, avoiding power concentration and surveillance states, and the geopolitical implications of the race to AGI. Questions include: Why can’t the market be trusted to self-regulate AI? Why does power concentration in AI pose such a massive threat to democracy? And what happens when even well-meaning developers lose control of the systems they’ve built? We also…