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Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth

Why cultivating agency matters more than cultivating skills in the AI era | Max Schoening (Head of Product, Notion)

May 3, 2026 · 1h 27m

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Max Schoening is head of product at Notion, where he’s been especially effective at getting designers and PMs to ship code, prototype in the terminal, and launch extremely successful AI products. He was previously a PM at Google, ran design at Heroku, was VP of Design (and a part-time engineer) at GitHub, and is a two-time founder. He’s one of the most AI-forward product leaders out there and one of the deepest thinkers on how AI changes how we build and use software. We discuss: 1. What’s most worked in getting designers and PMs to embrace AI 2. Why agency—not skills—is the thing that separates people who thrive from those who fall behind 3. How the first 10% of every project is now…