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#234 – David Duvenaud on why 'aligned AI' would still kill democracy

Jan 27, 2026 · 2h 33m

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Democracy might be a brief historical blip. That’s the unsettling thesis of a recent paper , which argues AI that can do all the work a human can do inevitably leads to the “gradual disempowerment” of humanity. For most of history, ordinary people had almost no control over their governments. Liberal democracy emerged only recently, and probably not coincidentally around the Industrial Revolution. Today's guest, David Duvenaud, used to lead the 'alignment evals' team at Anthropic, is a professor of computer science at the University of Toronto, and recently co-authored ' Gradual disempowerment .' Links to learn more, video, and full transcript: https://80k.info/dd He argues democracy wasn’t…