Starcast Join the waitlist
The Lawfare Podcast

The Lawfare Podcast

Lawfare Daily: The State of the Spyware Industry with Jen Roberts and Sarah Graham

Oct 9, 2025 · 38m

Coming soon to iPhone. Already have it? “Listen in Starcast” takes you straight there.

On this episode

About this episode

Jen Roberts, Associate Director of the Atlantic Council’s Cyber Statecraft Initiative, and Sarah Graham, Research Consultant with the Atlantic Council’s Cyber Statecraft Initiative, who are coauthors along with Nitansha Bansal of the recent paper, “ Mythical Beasts: Diving Into the Depths of the Global Spyware Market ,” join Lawfare ’s Justin Sherman to discuss the global spyware industry, how it has evolved in recent years, and what its future holds. They also discuss the geographic concentration of key spyware entities in several countries; a rise in U.S. investors in the spyware industry; how “strategic jurisdiction hopping,” name changes, and corporate structure shifts impact spyware…