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Decoder with Nilay Patel

Decoder with Nilay Patel

How Utah locals fought Kevin O'Leary's AI data center

Oct 1, 2026 · 45m

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Today I’m talking with Josh Dzieza, a longtime features writer here at The Verge, about a massive data center in Utah that does not exist, might never exist, and yet has already completely reshaped the politics of the entire state. Josh just published a major feature this week on the struggling Stratos data center project in Utah backed by Shark Tank star Kevin O’Leary. So I invited Josh on the show to discuss what’s happening inside the AI industry’s infrastructure boom, inside the bipartisan backlash to data centers, and how the tech industry is running into the one obstacle it can’t seem to spend its way out of: local democracy. Read the ⁠full interview transcript on The Verge⁠. Links:…