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The Good Fight

The Good Fight

Claude Steele on the Hidden Stress of Diverse Spaces

Jul 21, 2026 · 52m

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About this episode

Yascha Mounk and Claude Steele discuss why diversity can produce anxiety—and how it differs from prejudice. Claude Steele is Professor Emeritus of Psychology at Stanford University. His latest book is Churn: The Absurd Abyss of Race in America. In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Claude Steele discuss why diversity produces psychological tension even in the absence of explicit prejudice, whether American schools are truly as racially segregated today as they were in the 1950s, and how the fear of being stereotyped affects both minority and majority group members in integrated settings. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your…