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Is the Pastor Supposed to Be a Trainer? Examining Ephesians 4:11-12

Sep 17, 2026 · 1h 3m

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Everyone agrees Christians are supposed to serve. The question this episode asks is different: did we accidentally turn the pastor into a trainer instead of a minister, and is that even biblical? Who should actually be ministering? ABOUT THIS EPISODE: Joshua Lewis, Michael Miller, and Michael Rowntree examine T. David Gordon's 1994 ETS paper (link below) that Ephesians 4:11-12 has been misread for decades. Gordon doesn't question whether ordinary Christians should serve. He questions whether...