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Who Checks the AI Labs? Independent Verification with Andrew Freedman

Oct 9, 2026 · 1h 2m

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Andrew Freedman, Co-Founder and CEO of Fathom, returns a year after his last conversation with Gregory C. Allen to explain how independent verification organizations (IVOs) went from Fathom's niche AI policy idea to governing law in two states. They start with Fathom’s published polling on U.S. public opinion on AI and how things have changed since the OpenAI Hugging Face incident. They cover: California’s SB 813Governor Newsom’s executive order, which pulls the IVO deadline forward to May 20...