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The Hard Way With Joe De Sena

The Hard Way With Joe De Sena

Robert Greene on Finding Your Purpose, The 48 Laws of Power, and Life After a Stroke

Oct 13, 2026 · 23m

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About this episode

Robert Greene was 38, living in a one-bedroom apartment in Santa Monica after years of failed screenplays and dead-end jobs. Everyone around him seemed to be moving forward. He wasn't. Then a chance conversation in Venice, Italy, turned two decades of quiet observation into The 48 Laws of Power, a book that reshaped how a generation thinks about ambition, strategy, and human nature. Joe De Sena sits down with Robert to talk about building a life from nothing, twice. First as a writer who found his path late. Then again after a stroke in 2018 took much of his mobility but left his mind intact. That second rebuild became his newest book, The Law of the Sublime. They cover why years that feel…