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Leopold's 13F, Data Center Fixes, Shein Buys Everlane | Mike Isaac, Rowan Trollope, Dean Leitersdorf, Joanna Stern

May 18, 2026 · 2h 57m

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(00:17) - Jury Rules Against Musk (02:23) - Leopold's Situational Awareness 13F Is Out (16:03) - Data Center Backlash Gets Serious (44:47) - Mike Isaac, a technology reporter at The New York Times, discusses Elon Musk's lawsuit against OpenAI, highlighting Musk's strategy of using memorable phrases like "you can't steal a charity" to appeal to jurors unfamiliar with nonprofit contract law. He notes that OpenAI's defense centered on the statute of limitations, a more technical argument that ultimately swayed the jury's decision. Isaac also mentions the unexpected nature of the verdict and the various protest groups outside the courtroom. (01:07:52) - Rowan Trollope is the CEO of Redis, where…