Mary Beth and Steven Curtis Chapman (40 Years of Marriage and Still Here)

About this episode

Everyone loves a tidy marriage story until they realize it does not exist. I get to sit down with Steven Curtis Chapman and Mary Beth Chapman to talk about what actually holds a relationship together after decades of change, conflict, and unfinished growth and why their new book, Still Here, is so different from the typical perfect marriage playbook. Mary Beth and Steven talk candidly about learning to loosen their grip, “losing to win,” and choosing to bear with one another in love when disa...